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Understanding the rave of genelec

kynixsemic, modified 1 Year ago.

Understanding the rave of genelec

Youngling Posts: 1 Join Date: 1/15/18 Recent Posts

OK, I'm a Genelec fanboy.

You know that if you are a regular at CA.

 

Do they really sound better?

Are Genelecs for everybody?

What is the secret technology?

 

 

Do they really sound better?

 

Genelec stands out as the best monitors for money (IMNSHO) because they just sound invisible.

But it is not magic and as any other system, they sound best when you feed a great signal and place them wisely in a treated room. Just like anything else.

 

But that is where the "Just like anything else" stops.

Genelec goes to great lengths to help you get the best sound in the room you actually have.

They use all the tricks in the book: technology, topology, acoustic adaptation and education of their customers.

Check the chapter on technology.

 

 

Are Genelecs for everybody?

 

NO.

 

But they can be for most audiophiles depending on your preferences and how you go about your hobby.

Where Genelecs definitely are not the solution:

 

a) Users that prefer no-linear coloured sound: bass heads etc.

b) Users that prefer wood veneers or other specific colours (WAF etc)

c) Users that prefer towers

d) Users that love exchanging equipment and influencing sound that way.

e) Users that just prefers a lot of separates.

e) Under USD 800 budget for a satellite CA stereo system including DAC/AMP/Speakers/Cables (8010)

f) Under USD 3700 budget for a total CA pure digital room compensated stereo system 20-20kHz all included (PUC283307350)

f) Under USD 7000 budget for a total CA pure digital room compensated 5.1 surround system 20-20kHz all included (Lynx Aurora 8,83307260)

h) High end users that dislike even subtle DSP room optimization (SAM series)

i) High end users that insists DSD is the only way to go (SAM series - PCM only)

j) High end user that insists on the excellence of DXD or higher files (SAM series downsamples to 96/48kHz mid/high & bass)

 

 

What is the secret technology?

 

None of them are secrets, most are actually just common sense for smart engineers.

Some are patented but most are available to any manufacturer in some form.

You could say Genelec just does many more things according to the forces of nature.

 

But let's have a look under the hood (bonnet).

I'll be stealing the points from this page and providing my own comment for easy overview

 

 

Electro-acoustics

 

Directivity Control Waveguide (DCW™)

Enhances flat on- and off-axis response by using the curved cabinet as an acoustic lense.

 

Laminar Integrated Port (LIP™)

Makes for precise bass reproduction.

 

Minimum Diffraction Enclosure (MDE™)

The rounded design of the cabinet makes for uncoloured sound reproduction without refraction

Sharp edges would work as secondary sound transducers muddling up the sound

 

Iso-Pod™ Stand

Vibration decoupling Iso-Pod™

Rubber stands that improves sound image definition and flexible horisontal angling.

 

Highly efficient Laminar Spiral Enclosure (LSE™)

Provides accurate low frequency reproduction, a super well thought out implementation of the bass reflex port on subs.

 

Reflex Port Design

Advanced reflex port design for extended low frequency response, a super well implemented bass reflex port on monitors.

 

 

Transducers  and Materials

 

Acoustically Concealed Woofers (ACW™)

Provides controlled directivity down to low frequencies on the new 8351 monitor while allowing a coaxial driver in a cabinet size normally only suited for 2 drivers.

 

Minimum Diffraction Coaxial (MDC™) Driver

Implementation of a coaxial transducer that produces outstanding sound image.

 

Natural Composite Enclosure (NCE™) Technology

The environmentally attractive wood/polymer has been selected for its resistance and durability, its high internal damping and its resilience against impacts and physical damage. The material features many of the outstanding acoustical properties found in wood fibres, being 100% stiffer than the common ABS plastics typically used in loudspeaker enclosures.

 

Versatile Mountings

Many options and accessories enables optimum installation in all spaces.

 

 

Electronics and Networking

 

Active crossovers operating at low signal levels.

Splits the audio signal into separate frequency bands so the individual power amplifiers and the transducers they drive can be fully optimized for a their frequency band.

Active crossovers come in both digital and analogue varieties.

Bass Management System

The bass content of the main channels and the Low Frequency Effect (LFE) channel are directed and reproduced only by loudspeakers capable of handling them, whether they are main system loudspeakers or one or more subwoofer(s)

 

Optimized Amplifiers

Each transducer is driven by its own optimized amplifier, see Active crossovers

 

Room Response Compensation

Fully linear frequency response in real rooms is the aim of precise compensation.

Manual DIP switches on analogue input models

Automatic DSP room compensation on digital input models (SAM)

 

Protection Circuitry

Sophisticated drive unit protection circuitry for safe operation on both analogue and digital input models.

 

Smart Active Monitor (SAM™) Systems

Networked Smart Active Monitor (SAM™) Systems feature automatic room compensation using a calibrated microphone.

SAM's take both analogue and digital inputs, but all signals are converted to digital.

 

 

 

 

Value for money

 

The Genelec 8260's IMO kicks the ass of Bower & Wilkins 800 Diamond speakers

The 800's may be better if everything is at its best: the room, the speaker placement, the DAC and the source and amps.

A situation where room correction will make no difference and where the amps are humongous Class A monsters.

 

The B&W's are notorious for being picky with amps, as they are insanely power hungry.

Somebody should probably rip those passive X-overs out of them and convert them to fully actives.

That is: do the proper job B&W didn't have the balls to do.

 

Now do the math:

USD 9300 - Two Genelec 8260's, a Yellowtec PUC2 DDC + cables (ie. everything)

USD 23000 - Two Bower & Wilkins 800 Diamond speakers - no DAC, no amp, no cables

 

 

 

Now go have a listen to some Genelecs ;-)

sound-phobia, modified 1 Year ago.

RE: Understanding the rave of genelec

Youngling Posts: 13 Join Date: 9/16/15 Recent Posts

Thank you kynixsemic for perfect information!!

What is your idea about 1238A + 7380A for hifi listening?

Is it dream system for music lovers? This system was the best sound of show in high end Tampere 2014: www.highendnews.info/events/Highend_Tampere_2014.htm

So I have a simple question..

Could you compare (1238A +7380A) with passive speaker like Magico s5 mkII ? Which is more enjoyble?

I am a Genelec fan  and I choose genelec. But I would like to know your opinion....

johnvnross, modified 6 Months ago.

RE: Understanding the rave of genelec

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 11/4/12 Recent Posts
I’m listening to an oppo 205 - through a dolby lake - into 1038A’s. Yummy!!  Go for it. 
digipete, modified 1 Year ago.

Read the original

Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts

 

I suppose I should feel honoured somebody copied this part of my blog about my thoughts about choosing Genelec SAM

You can read the full blog at Computer Audiophile:

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/blogs/entry/471-genelec-what-is-the-rave-about/

elsapo2001, modified 5 Months ago.

RE: Understanding the rave of genelec

Youngling Posts: 18 Join Date: 10/3/17 Recent Posts
Yeah I am a big fan myself. I even carry a pair wherever I go if they dont have Genelecs, I have a pair of 8341s coming in. every room has Genelecs and even my computer speakers for listening to music LOL.